Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-11-27 19:42:16 est From: AFL Marty MEROW - It is often helpful to place the name of the person to whom you are responding at the beginning of your message (as I did with this one) unless it's easy to tell whose message you are replying to. Subj: PC Transporter 88-11-27 21:57:13 est From: AFL Oli Tim: Having a PC transporter in a GS will NOT increase the memory available to a GS program such as AWGS. Only memory in the gs expansion slot is available for use by such programs. You can use PC transporter memory for a Ramdisk only.Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-11-27 22:37:44 est From: JosephY3 Had problems making copies with Claris system disk. Claris tech said that problems existed so I used previous sys.util. Can only load word processor with double click on icon. When word processor is up, access to "File" on upper menu bar causes color fill of pull down menu area, then color fill of whole screen , then black and white cross hatch. Same problem every time. Claris said another reported similar problem and code on disk may be bad. (Config = 2 - 3.5 Unidisk, 2 Disk II, Ramkeeper w/ Apple card (1Meg) and GS Ramplus (1 Meg). Subj: Re: Color Fill 88-11-28 05:34:11 est From: AFL Oli Sounds like a solid report, Joseph. Did they say what they intend to do?Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-11-28 18:03:09 est From: HErwin It doesn't work for me, either. Appears to be a driver problem. HarrySubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-11-30 23:23:57 est From: TimothyF1 AFL Oli, Thanks for the info...know anyone who would like to buy a "fully loaded" Apple Memory Expansion Card for the GS?? Then I might be able to swing an A.E. Expansion Card with several MEG. Wonder if Apple has any plans along these lines... Thanks again, Tim Subj: Contents forwarded to Claris 88-12-01 00:07:54 est From: AFL Grafix Just so you know your comments and problems are not evaporating into ether, I thought I'd let you know that I have archived all the comments in this topic--up to but not including Tim's message--and sent them all to Claris. This was per the request of Steve Carlton at Claris...so Claris IS listening, gang! I will be doing this on a regular basis, for most, if not all of the topics on this board... Keep those cards and letters coming :) MarianSubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-03 20:56:58 est From: nasher Is there any reason why Appleworks gs would save a file to clipboard that was 4479k!Alls I did was quit out of Appleworks GS with the page layout and graphic module open and both didn't have very large files in them.I had my hard drive opened to look for files to open but still why would it save such a large file to clipboard and what is clipboard used for. Subj: Re; Clipboard 88-12-03 22:19:33 est From: GS Samuel Anytime you cut (OA-X) or copy (OA-C), that part of the document is transferred to an area of GS memory called the Clipboard. When you quit AWGS, the Clipboard is saved as part of the AWGS shutdown. I can't think of any reason for AWGS to save the whole document unless you had Copied or Cut the whole document. I think there is a limit as to how much can be cut or copied, but don't know what that is off the top of my head. :) Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-04 14:54:17 est From: AFL Grafix Nasher, If the GS scrap works like the Mac scrap, that clipboard which was saved to disk should be gone after you shutdown and then restart. As Sam said, the clipboard is where all copy and cuts go to... and those copy or cut operations that are too large to hold in active RAM are saved to disk temporarily. The clipboard contains the MOST RECENT copy or cut--in fact, you could have seen what was on that clipboard by using the View Clipboard command. So, presumably, what it saved to disk was the last copy or cut you did while within AWGS--and for it to be that large, it would probaly have been a case where you did the following: Select All then Copy or Cut. Did you perhaps do this while you were working on those documents? Shutting down your GS should erase this temporary clipboard on disk, I believe. Let us know if you find out differently, Nasher... If I get a chance, this sounds like a neat one to play around with :) Marian Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-04 16:20:17 est From: MUS1 This isn't really a `bug`, so to speak, but it sure is a pain. I was loading a large database file into AWGS (it was a 1988 tax template) and it displayed this little rotating chart instead of a watch. Anyway, I must have waited 15 minutes (at least 7 minutes) for this thing to calculate or something. (It only ran the hard disk for about 25 secs.) What's the hangup here? Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-04 18:37:26 est From: nasher This is in reguards to the message I left about having a huge clipboard file saved to my harddisk(4479k worth) after quitting Appleworks GS.I think I did pick select all from the pull down menu,but I still can't understand how I got such a large file.Could the program be trying to save a copy of my hard disk to the clipboard?Any suggestions are welcome.Will call Claris on Monday about this.Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-04 22:17:53 est From: MarkL35 Have had AWGS for 2 weeks now- a couple of thoughts (Claris are you listening?) : There is slow,slower and then AWGS! Have a 90k SS- takes 2 & 1/2 minutes to load! Open apple period WON'T stop printing in the draft mode;Templates in the DB are NOT saved as it says in the book, you lose the sort!! How about being able to load more than one file at the same time? I'm not sure about this program I think it was released too soon. Great idea but I'm waiting for updates (upgrades) for ny final verdict! Have 2.75 megs booting AWGS from ROM and GS/OS Mark LSubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-04 22:40:10 est From: JosephY3 I've sent back the disks and they will ship replacements. Subj: Rotating "Pie Chart" 88-12-05 01:46:22 est From: GS Samuel That "rotating pie chart" that was referred to a couple of messages back seems to be Claris's (nee StyleWare) replacement of the standard watch icon. It =is= of course telling us to wait while computations and conversions are being made. It takes less time once you loaded or imported a Classic AppleWorks DB or SS and then saved that file in its new AWGS format. Still, it does take what seems an excessive amount of time -- at times. :) Subj: Re: "rotating pie" 88-12-05 05:15:08 est From: AFL Oli Right about the "rotating pie", Samuel. Mine is in color... I have begun training myself to go the the kitchen for a cup of coffee during these times ... Of course my eyeballs are floating in the stuff right now, and I'm so wired, I'm up at 5:18 AM!!Subj: Re: Rotating "Pie" 88-12-05 20:00:39 est From: JIB2 Not that it will help speed it up, but the rotating "pie" is actually a "spinning beachball" which is a standard Apple pointer type defined in Apple's Human Interface Guidelines: The Apple Desktop Interface. See Table 3-1 on page 94. It is used for "showing that the system is still alive during a lengthy operation." The same pointer is used in some machintosh applications -- for example, Hypercard, and I think MORE... Just in case you were interested... Jim BlockSubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-05 21:58:46 est From: Blitz1 Gentlemen....Ladies.... ....Those aren't bugs......They're Features ! blitz1 Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-06 21:56:56 est From: RaymondG6 I can not find a way to stop a draft mode printing. This is a real time consumer, as my paper jammed on a 43 page run, and I could find no code to break the print function. I finally had to turn off the machine and start again. Is there a way to interrupt a draft printing if something goes wrong??? I also used SHR Convert to put graphics into Apple prefered format and when I tried to import them into the database they came in inverse rather than as the normal colors they were created with. Am I doing something wrong?? Please let me know what is up by E-mail. RaymondG6Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-06 22:29:54 est From: GS Bob DHR-To stop printing with OA period on a DB, check your control panel settings to see if the the printer buffer is on or off. Try off. This seems to help me. I haven't tried this in any other module yet. I'm open for feedback. :) GS BobSubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-06 23:28:55 est From: AFL Grafix Nasher, Did you say a 4400 _K_ clipboard--ie a 4.4 MEG clipboard???? How big a HD do you have? And, yes, that certainly IS an incredibly large clipboard. (I saw the k in your orignal report, but I assumed it was a typo, since it was well outside 2 standard deviations from the norm.) Raymond, I've not encountered that inversing of $C0 pics saved in Apple Preferred format, but I'll try it and see if I can reproduce it. MarianSubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-06 23:33:13 est From: AFL Grafix Nasher, Did you say a 4400 _K_ clipboard--ie a 4.4 MEG clipboard???? How big a HD do you have? And, yes, that certainly IS an incredibly large clipboard. (I saw the k in your orignal report, but I assumed it was a typo, since it was well outside 2 standard deviations from the norm.) Raymond, I've not encountered that inversing of $C0 pics saved in Apple Preferred format, but I'll try it and see if I can reproduce it. Are you sure that the colors are coming out "inverted" or are they just coming out looking funny--i.e., not the same color as they were in the original picture. If the latter is the case, that is due to the fact the the picture you imported is almost certainly saved in 320 by 200 mode, whereas AWGS uses the higher resolution of 640 by 200 mode. The problem with using this higher resolution is that when 320 mode graphics are imported, their colors when in AWGS are often way off what they were in 320 mode... remember 320 mode allows lots more gradations of color than does 640 mode. This is true not only in AWGS, but also in Medley, both of which chose to use 640 mode for its higher resolution and better print quality. Marian MarianSubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-07 01:16:33 est From: SkipS In regards to the large clipboard, I would like to see AWGS handle these situations like most Mac programs do. If you quit a program while a large clipboard is active the Mac prompts you "SAVE LARGE CLIPBOARD?". This gives the user a chance to make a decision whether to waste time and disk space with a document or picture that may not be needed anymore or keep the image for some future use. If the clipboard is saved then it is automatically reloaded with the next application. I believe this requires a resource fork which is not available with GS/OS (yet). Skip Subj: Re: Stopping Printing 88-12-07 06:05:39 est From: AFL Oli It's funny (or actually, not funny)... Just 10 minutes ago, I tried to print something out in draft mode and stop the printing with OA-. No luck here either. My print buffer is set to no, also... Hmmm......Subj: Contents forwarded to Claris 88-12-10 21:37:40 est From: AFL Grafix I have archived all new comments in this topic and will forward them to Claris as soon as I log off here. MarianSubj: Moved Message 88-12-11 12:26:21 est From: AFL Marty Subj: Graphics into database 88-12-08 22:56:02 est From: RaymondG6 Msgs: 6 (88-12-10) I save some pictures with SHR Convert as Apple Preferred Format form or SHR pictures. When I tried to load them into a graphic field on the database they come in in inverse mode. Is there another form I am supposed to use, or has anyone else found this problem? What form has the most success?? Thanks for suggestions and help. Subj: Moved Message 88-12-11 12:26:42 est From: AFL Marty Subj: Re: Graphics into database 88-12-10 14:17:37 est From: AFL Marty This question was posted (and answered) in another topic.Subj: Moved Message 88-12-11 12:27:07 est From: AFL Marty Subj: Re: Graphics - where?? 88-12-10 19:11:01 est From: RaymondG6 Thanks for the assistance Marty, but could you tell me where and in what folder?? It sometimes becomes easy to lose where things are in here and expecially when you are new at it or do not use it often. I will see if I can find it, but for me everything I do to this system is also "LONG DISTANCE TOLL CHARGES" and for those of us outside the usually dialing areas, on-line charges, plus long distances charges really up our prices to telecommunicate with others. Subj: Moved Message 88-12-11 12:27:28 est From: AFL Marty Subj: Re: Graphics into database 88-12-10 20:47:45 est From: AFL Grafix Raymond, I remember leaving an answer to your question, but I'm not sure exactly where it was.... probably under Appleworks GS Questions or Graphics Module. If I run across my answer, I'll come back here and let you know where I posted it. Meanwhile, the gist of it was, are you sure the colors are inversed or that they just appear to be the "wrong" colors. If the latter, then that is the result of the fact that AWGS used 640 mode for its higher resolution and that most imported artwork is in 320 mode, so this, of necesssity means that the colors will not "look right" since the lower resolution mode allows more colors on the page, but gives you lower resolution on the screen and in printing. If you import 320 graphics into AWGS, be prepared to recolor the picture... see the information about palettes, etc in the graphics module topic. MarianSubj: Moved Message 88-12-11 12:27:53 est From: AFL Marty Subj: Where did I post it originally? 88-12-10 21:10:41 est From: AFL Grafix Raymond, Your original question was posted in the AWGS Bug Reports section...and that is where I posted my answer to it (slightly more detailed than the synopsis I just gave...but not much more so)... Marian Subj: Moved Message 88-12-11 12:28:10 est From: AFL Marty Subj: Contents forwarded to Claris 88-12-10 21:41:44 est From: AFL Grafix I have archived all the comments in this topic and will forward them to Claris as soon as I log off here. MarianSubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-11 14:49:53 est From: Nerak Several Classic Appleworks data bases which were converted to AWGS format and then saved have refused to load - either totally crashing the system to the infamous (restart-resume) screen or to a blank screen. Any suggestions? One is my C-mass mailing list! I am willing to send the data disk to Claris if necessary. If these 'bugs' are simply 'undocumented features' then AWGS has enough 'ugly' features to quailfy for a 'girning' contest -- that's where the contestants make the worst faces they can -- frequently by taking out their false teeth-- listen up Claris!! If you aren't interested in the Apple][ market and AWGS is your attempt to kill it off...sell Styleware back to itself and let them have the rights to AWGS!@! Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-11 18:28:20 est From: AFL Grafix Nerow, AWGS certainly does have some bug still left in it, but I think jumping from that to the conclusion that Claris doesn't care about the Apple II market is spurious. First of all, if Claris weren't interested in the Apple II market, they would not have bought Styleware, nor would they be pumping the $$$ they are into marketing AWGS. Second, you need to remember how very complex a program AWGS and think about how difficult it is to make a program that large (almost 800K) and that complex totally bulletproof. Marian (stepping off soapbox :)Subj: DB bug (forwarded message) 88-12-11 18:52:03 est From: AFL Grafix Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Data Base 88-12-11 14:28:54 est From: Nerak I opened my Appleworks 2.1 mailing list database into AWGS, added some data and saved under the same name. I accessed it a couple of times for adding info. Now whenever I try to open or import the AWGS file it crashes to a fatal error (0306) or a black screen with a single turquoise square in the upper left corner and I have to restart the entire system. This WAS my entire miling list -- any suggestions on recoverySubj: Similar DB Bug (forwarded msg.) 88-12-11 18:52:38 est From: AFL Grafix Nerak, Duh, try reopening the DB from AW 2.1 again (hopefully you didn't blow away the 2.1 original file once you imported it). Guess this one isn't just me either... I loaded the States DB from AW 2.1 into AWGS and it loaded and manipulated just fine...then I did the following--at the end of which I had a DB that caused "bomb dialogs" every time I tried to create a report: Marked all fields except State, Capital, Migration. Added a Region Field Sorted on Region and then on name Formatted a report Tried to Create a Report ---> bombs every time. The funny thing is, I cold rebooted and went through this same sequence and had NO problem that time... luckily I had saved my DB at various stages along the way. I think your message and this one probably ought to go into the Bug Report section, since, while my situation could not be replicated, it is VERY similar to the one you reported...and the two should get reported to Claris, preferably side-by-side, so they can perhaps find some common denominator. Marian Subj: Trashing of long files in WP 88-12-11 18:57:39 est From: AFL Grafix (forwarded message) Subj: Re: Trashing of long files in WP 88-12-11 00:31:47 est From: EdwardF4 Marian -- I experienced the same thing (strangely enough, during my first session with AWGS): I was editing a log file from a local BBS, about 47K (before I imported it into AWGS). I had opened a second WP window, and was cutting items from the first window and saving them to the second. On about the sixth cut and paste, I received the "Serious system error has occurred", and when attempting to Resume, crashed into the Monitor. I haven't duplicated this feat yet, but then I've only had AWGS for two days now. -> EdwardSubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-11 22:07:13 est From: AFL Oli Nerak, if you'd like someone to try loading the database on a different machine, I'm willing. Just send it to me as a file attached to email. No processing, just send as is.Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-16 22:01:22 est From: PaulM86 I didnt take the time to read through all these but when I load a file from Appleworks 2.0 it wont print even after I have renamed it and saved it on my awgs file disk? Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-17 00:18:44 est From: AFL Grafix Paul, What type of file--i.e. which of the 6 modules? What is your hardware configuration, especially printer and interface? Any additional information you can provide about the circumstances under which this happens will (hopefully) help us figure out what the problem is. MarianSubj: Re:Template problems (forwarded) 88-12-17 00:26:11 est From: AFL Grafix Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Data Base 88-12-15 23:08:49 est From: DHR RE: Templates I can't seem to get it. I'm sure I'm following the instructions in the manual correctly. I have a DB with separate last name, first name, street address, city, state, zip code and phone number fields. I'm trying to create a mailing label template. I follow the instructions on page 149 of the User's Guide ie mark and hide the existing name and address fields and use the CONCAT function to create new fields using the formulas in the manual. Everything seems to look OK and I save the template as instructed. The next time I open my DB and then try to open the template I get the message Unable to load. Some fields incompatable with database. I,m at a loss. I've read your info Marian and understand what your saying and the instructions in the manuals but just can't seem to get it to work..... David Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-17 00:27:40 est From: AFL Grafix Since it sounded like David was doing all the right things but still having template problems, I forwarded his message to this topic. If you can offer him help, please do so in the Database Module section where his question first appeared. In that same topic (Database Module), uyou can also read the messages immediately preceding David's in which the procedure for defining templates is described. MarianSubj: Answer to DHR's Template probs 88-12-18 20:13:36 est From: AFL Grafix (forwarded from DB Module topic, for the benefit of those who only read Bug Reports topic) From: GS Samuel DHR: Others may have said this, but: When you use "concat", you are probably creating some fields in your template that don't exist in the master DB. When you open a template, it can't have any fields that don't exist in the master DB. The master DB can have more fields than the template file(s) but the reverse isn't true. The templates are subsets of the DB. Subj: More clarific. on DHR templ prob 88-12-18 20:15:11 est From: AFL Grafix (forwarded from DB Module topic for the benefit of those who only read the Bug Reports topic) From: Good Earth David- I'm definitely not the one to offer in depth knowledge of AWGS, but it sounds as if you are having the same problem I was. You have to have the new field names already existing on your DB definition screen "before" you make new formula fields with those names, example; my DB defintion screen looked like a patchwork quilt with all the field names, first name, last name, address, p.o.box, city, state, zip, THEN I had to add new field names for those that I was going to use in the template, Name (my concat version of first & last), City-State (my concat version of city, state & zip), if you identify these on your definition screen before creating them, they will come in OK. We be havin' some fun now, eh! B) You can tell it is a "piece of cake" from jim's "rocket fuel formula" a few letters back. Be patient - because you are not alone! Hope this works for you.....GOOD EARTH --------------- From: Good Earth David - I didn't finish what I started. Once you have your template set up and saved you can use it with any DB that have all of the same fields. Just remember that the DB you want to use your template with MUST have exactly the same fields in it as your template, ALL of them. Sorry I didn't finish before. Best of luck.....GOOD EARTHSubj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-29 19:07:04 est From: Paulo10 Have had APWGS 5 days. Have seen the message..Serious system error 12 times during cancel operations in SS and DB. Tonight I tried to upload a page file that I spent 3 hours working on last night. It included 3 column text and graphics. I got the friendly message that "This file has been damaged" "OK"? NO IT IS NOT OK. Am I alone in having this` problem? This program runs like a beta version. I have a 1.25 meg APPLE card with Imagewriter II. Have run all sorts of programs, including PW GOLD with no problems. Today I wrote a letter to Claris from my IBM AT at work because my APWGS would have taken longer to boot than it took me to write the message.... CLARIS{SOMEONE} Please help before I go back to BANK STREET WRITER.....Is it just me? Paulo10 Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-29 20:04:43 est From: AFL Marty No. It's not just you having problems. Everyone seems to be having problems to some degree. Representatives from Claris Tech Support are scheduled to be in the Productivity Forum Conference Hall at 9 PM on January 5th. Perhaps they will have an answer for you.Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-29 21:16:42 est From: PaulM86 Marion, it was my mistake. I was to impatient waiting for it to print. I found that if I told the program to print draft things were speeded up nicely. Thanks for your help. PaulM86Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 88-12-31 17:26:22 est From: HErwin I've found that having 2-3.5" drives gets rid of a lot of the bugs in AWGS. --Harry--Subj: Two 3.5 drives 89-01-01 17:43:21 est From: AFL Marty Hehehe -- maybe that's what they meant when they said two 3.5 drives are highly recommended :)Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 89-01-03 21:45:23 est From: Paulo10 I found after all my complaints of last week, that if I stay with "new APWSGS files" and don't try importing old apw files I get a lot less systems crashes, but Today after writing a report and trying to add in three graphics images to the page layout module I found I had used up my entire 1.25 mgbytes of memory. Wow! What expansion card~ sould I get Now. Does an Applied Engineering card accept the Apple card into one of its two slots. How does it work..^|}@![#$%]&*()_<>\...Subj: Re: AppleWorks GS Bug Reports 89-01-04 21:55:39 est From: Mike Fenno I've had Appleworks GS for about 3 weeks now and I'm still trying to figure it out. The two bugs (out of thousands!) I would like to mention are that in all aplications, if I try to print anything in draft mode,it runs the lines together. Well... not actually together, it's hard to explane. It will print a line, and then take the last few words in that line and add them to the beginning of the line in the left margin. It will skip a few lines , and then do the same thing over again. This happens all the time. It's a full time bug no matter how I set up the page setup, or other options. The second bug I have, is that I've trashed two disks sofar using the delete function from the file menu. I was reading messages offline that I downloaded,and then deleting them after importing them to the word processor. On about the third deletion, I recieved the message "/filename may be damaged.. move data to another disk" / After that I could no longer access the disk. I had to re-format it. This has happened twice to me. Any comments would be aprieciated. Mike Fenno