Subject: Re: How many of each II model produced? From: supertimer@aol.com (Supertimer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Aug 1999 06:11:36 GMT References: <37C701A4.14ABD1F6@earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990828021136.22356.00000380@ng-bj1.aol.com> sheercon@earthlink.net wrote: >The Apple II was and is a fine computer but IMHO the C64 >was a better game machine. One noticable difference was the sound, the >C64 had 3 voices which back in the day was a "big deal". I agree with the exception of the IIGS, of course (which is more like a "GS" with a "II" emulator inside than an Apple II). By the way, Ensoniq was founded by a group of C64 engineers who developed the SID chip in the C64. Their Ensoniq 5503 DOC chip, the heart of the 32-channel IIGS sound system, is in effect a grandchild of the SID chip! See this link for more information: http://www.ensoniq.com/multimedia/semi_html/index.htm There is a story behind this chip that I'm not sure of in terms of validity, but you be the judge. The Mirage sampler was the first big pro-audio product Ensoniq made. The sound chip inside it, the Ensoniq 5503, was later used in the popular ESQ-1 pro synthesizer. Ensoniq initially approached the designers of the Amiga offering the chip (this was before the Amiga's company was gobbled up by Commodore). The Amiga folks laughed and thought "what would anyone want with a chip like that." Ensoniq then sent a sample to Apple. It got handed from one person to another within the company, no one knowing quite what to make of it. Even Woz passed it on. One guy in the company, Rob Moore, got the chip. This guy was a musician by hobby and he went crazy about the chip so the IIGS engineering team, led by Dan Hillman, went up to Apple's management and fought for the chip. "Think of it as enabling technology." they said. "Imagine a storybook in which the characters talk back." "Look up Kennedy's speeches and hear them as well as read about them." "People can call up your computer and leave a voice mail message." So that's how the Ensoniq chip got into the IIGS. This deal also prompted Ensoniq to start its semiconductor business, making it into the computer peripheral company it is today, not just a pro-music company. Interestingly, every prediction made by the IIGS team has come to pass with regards to sound in computers.