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Jeff Blakeney writes ... > > On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:31:13 -0500, Rubywand
<rubywand@swbell.net> > wrote: ....


> You also have to be a member of Delphi to see those posts so they > weren't
made "publicly".

Not so. Anyone who wishes can access a Delphi forum as a "guest" and read every
post. The forum is public.


....

> >We all know very well that had Jeff B. or Gina written the report you guys
would > >have been falling all over yourselves with congratulations. > > > >    
Well, what about charging Jeff or Gina with "callous disregard, lack of >
>courtesy and flagrant disrespect" for doing the piece without permissions? > >
Excuse me, but my report is being written entirely by me and will > contain no
posts from anywhere.  I am writing up my experiences from > attending my first
KFest.  Please stop trying to use me to make a > point, it doesn't work.

You are not the point. Pick some other person in the group who attacked the
report-- doesn't much matter who.


> >All we need do is refer to your fellow Delphonian's comments posted here: > >
> >>> > >Um, I've been quoted in the lamp and have never been asked for
permission. > >However, I feel that posting in a public forum gives implicit
permission. > ><< > > Okay, lets try it this way this time: > >      THAT
STATEMENT WAS PUBLICLY RETRACTED AS BEING FALSE! >

Not so.

If you accept the followups under a new email reference, there was some question
about whether or not some attempt had been made to get a permission. This does
not "retract" anything about the originally expressed sentiments.

The point is that the Delphi poster was willing to put up with having his
comments used in the Lamp 'zine whether or not he had given permission. This is
the normal sane response of someone posting comments on a public forum. It would
have been the response of all of those whose chatting is quoted had you or Gina
done the original report.

_Only_ because the report was produced by Dr. Tom was it attacked and phony
issues of "works" and copyrighted chit chat raised.



....

> Well, if you insist on calling it news, at least call it what it is. > Old
news.  The messages were originally posted to Delphi during and > shortly after
KFest.  Tom didn't repost them until about a week after > KFest making the
reposts one or two weeks old. >

No so (again).

The "KF Report" was posted to the GS WorldView July 1999 issue on 27 July 1999.
This is two _days_ after the official closing of the event.

Here is a snip from Dr. Tom's posting to Csa2 on the night of July 28 1999:

ref:  The Kfest '99 Comprehensive Report"

>> If you desire to know the happenings that went on at Kfest '99, then you'll
want to read the report from the following URL.  It pretty much covers it all
with attendee feedback, laced with editorial comments, links to many NEAT Kfest
'99 color graphics of many, many of the attendees and it's about as stimulating,
energetic and enlightening in content as if you'd actually been there to
experience all the sleep deprivation and Apple II magic Kfest '99 offered.

Reading the entire report, borders on 'A Kfest '99 Virtual Reality Encounter'.

http://www.grin.net/~cturley/gsezine/GS.WorldView/************
JULY.99/*ARTICLES.and.COMING.NEXT.MONTH/Kfest.99.Report.txt <<

Within a few hours a clickable link to the report was included on the FAQs intro
page at http://home.swbell.net/rubywand/A2FAQs1START.html .

Dr. Tom's KFest report was being read and talked about almost before the pizza
stains had dried on the 'funny ties' contest winner.


> This whole subject would be over and done with now if it hadn't been > for the
fact that Tom, after receiving complaints and removing the web > page, put the
page back up.  Also, I don't think this subject would > have even been raised if
Tom had used links to the messages on Delphi > rather than reposting them.

Fortunately, it was soon posted to Csa2 and is conveniently available at this
Deja link (recommended by greg@apple2.com):

http://www.deja.com/msgid.xp?MID=%3C19990730151256.20391.00000202%40ng-ch1.aol.com%3E&fmt=text



.... > > Just to let you know, there were eight first time attendees at KFest >
this year.  There was at least one other new person, from Italy no > less, that
stopped by for the Vendor Fair. ....

That's nice; but, we have at least a few _hundred thousand_ users. We should aim
to make KansasFest the major Apple II gathering it is supposed to be.



Rubywand