Subject: Re: OSRL Presents: A World Exclusive - SCAMP has arrived Path: lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.via.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: CUTblakeney@home.com (Jeff Blakeney) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Organization: Shaw@Home Reply-To: CUTblakeney@home.com (Jeff Blakeney) Message-ID: <3843fb4c.57892311@news> References: <19991129181931.27002.00002444@ng-ch1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 84 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:55:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.23.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.on.home.com 943980926 24.66.23.77 (Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:55:26 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:55:26 PST On 29 Nov 1999 23:19:31 GMT, cturley2@aol.com (Cturley2) wrote: >Remember to always download the SCAMP file as a raw binary file ONLY! You can >only play the SCAMP files on the IIgs with the GS/OS application Oversampler. You can probably play them with the program LongPlay too as neither have any special support for WAV files. They are just treating WAV files as raw binary sound files and causing a little click at the beginning of playing back the sample due to the few bytes of header information that is stored in a WAV file. >You can leave them exactly as they are, without any need or reason to change >the file type at all. When you select and load each of the two SCAMP files with >Oversampler, make the following program settings within the Oversampler >program, before you select the play option. > >Volume: 255 > >Frequency: 420 > >Echo Delay: 2 > >Oversampling: off > >Stereo is the default sound mode. If you don't have a stereo card, present and >active in your IIgs, then you can't have stereo sound. Thus, you could set the >sound mode to Internal and avoid any needless demands to your IIgs CPU. First off, what makes people think that Oversampler can play stereo sound samples? As far as I can tell from the documentation and from the fact that this program is designed to play raw binary sounds, Oversampler does not support stereo sound samples. The Output option is just to allow the program's volume control to work properly with either a stereo output card or the internal speaker or to output to only the left or right channel exclusively. The programmer says in the documentation that the left and right channel options he wasn't sure why he included them but they could be used to test you stereo output card for operation. :-) Another clue that Oversampler doesn't support stereo samples is that the documentation says that the Echo option uses the left channel to play the sound sample and the right channel plays the same sample but delayed slightly and at 3/4 the volume of the left channel. Kind of hard to play a stereo sample when you are using the left and right outputs this way. The final clue that Oversampler doesn't support stereo samples is the fact that the WAV files in question here are 8 bit, 11,025 Hz stereo samples. According to the Oversampler documentation, that would mean setting the frequency option to 214 or 215 (11025 / 51.406 = 214.47). However, a stereo sample has both channels in a file so the file becomes twice as big so if you played it as a mono sample you would have to play it at twice the frequency to get it to sound right. This would mean setting Oversampler's frequency option to 428 or 429 (22050 / 51.406 = 428.94). As this is pretty darn close to the 420 suggested, I'd say that the stereo sample is being played as a mono file. This means that you could probably get an even cleaner sounding version of the MTR.WAV file by making a mono sample and you would also end up with a file that is only around 689,479 bytes long which is much better than the 1,378,958 bytes it is now. You would also be playing back at the 214/215 rate so you won't need as fast a drive to do the 2 or 4 times oversampling. Which brings me to my next point. Why suggest playing back a sample with oversampling turned off? One of the big advantages of this program is to allow 2 or 4 times oversampling so that the play back sounds better than the original file. As long as the drive you are playing the sound sample from can handle it, use the 2 or 4 times oversampling option. It will cut down on a lot of the noise in a sample. However, even with all these points, there is no way an 11,025 Hz, 8 bit mono sample is ever going to sound better than a 44 kHz, 16 bit stereo sample. Using the oversampling and echo options in Oversampler can give some decent sounding play back on a IIgs but is still isn't as good as an MP3. +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeff Blakeney - Dean of the Apple II University in A2Pro on Delphi | | Delphi Apple II Forums Web Pages | | A2: http://www.delphi.com/apple2 A2Pro: http://www.delphi.com/a2pro | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+