Subject: Re: AppleWorks 5 on Ground?Path: lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mailFrom: "Michael Y. Su" <msu76@bellatlantic.net>Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:11:49 -0400Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.comLines: 123Message-ID: <rvt22ag7h1s40@news.supernews.com>References: <37FE4B16.850A5020@swbell.net> <19991008155911.08879.00000477@ng-fo1.aol.com>X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.comX-Priority: 3X-MSMail-Priority: NormalX-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300Alas, I'm sorry I created such a fervor.I am a legal, registered owner of AppleWorks and can prove it upon requestwith a quick scan of my originals.  With that in mind, I would think thatI'm entitled to an upgrade.  If the update would've been free to registeredowners, then I feel it shouldn't be piracy for me to download the update.Now on the other hand, if Claris or Apple or Whoever did charge anotherlicense fee just for an update, then I'll admit that it would probably be apiracy issue if I went ahead and downloaded it--even as just as I think itis.I'm a guy who pays shareware fees and spent thousands of dollars in the 80'son Apple II software.  I am so lame, I even paid the ByteWorks to produce aset of 6.0.1 disks for me.But for now, I'm going to just play devil's advocate.  I'm sure this issuehas been raised before:I want to purchase a copy of AW5.1.  Where am I going to get one?  If Ican't buy it, am I just supposed to sit and twiddle my thumbs and wait for astore to open up and go back in time?  To the best of my knowledge, asignificant percentage of Apple II software is no longer commerciallyavailable.  Unless, vendors are concurrently retailing AW, it should nothurt their revenue should AW be <gasp> copied.So you want me to go buy it used from Joe Schmoe?  Sure, I usually end updoing just that.  But guess what... Apple won't make any money off of thatlegal transaction!  Joe Schmoe just gets to recoup a little of his money.  Idon't think "money lost" is ever going to be an issue when it comes to oldApple II software.And correct me if I'm wrong, but the programmers got paid already, and theystill get their credit on the startup screen as well as in my manual.  Idon't think I'm violating their intellectual property--I'm not resellingtheir software and cutting them out of the profit.  Do the programmers loseanything?  Do they not lose anything when I go buy it used?  Paradoxically,wouldn't copying it extend the kudos to all the programmers?  They'd get tosee their names on more Apples when Apples are few and their days arenumbered.So where are the losses?The only thing that stands to be hurt from all of this bickering is theshrinking Apple II community itself.  It is so damned hard to get softwarefor my IIGS these days.  I'm just lucky that I still have half of mybit-rotten *legally purchased* software viable.  If I weren't such adie-hard I would've trashed my IIGS and never given it a second thought.We can't just sit around waiting for Steve Jobs to get around to reclassifyAW.  Why don't we write him an e-mail and he can bring it up at his nextiChairmeeting?  In the meantime, the Apple II name and all its supportingsoftware is being buried in the dust of time.Please correct me if I'm wrong, but people are going to do a web search foran AW 5.1 retailer, and in the infinitude of the WWW, they won't find morethan a handful of dead links.  They'll give up and then?  So much forrevitalizing their Apple II.The software has to stay alive if the Apple II is to stay alive.  Burying itbehind some legal issues that weren't meant for the vastly acceleratedmodern era is hurting the Apple's already stunted life expectancy.  If I hada vote, all the Apple II software would be communalized for all posterity.That is, I believe the licenses that currently exist for programs such as AWare virtually (albeit not practically) defunct.Let me explain with a hypothetical consideration:  What if Pfizer could burypenicillin behind some sort of centuries-long patent just because they'drather not support it in favor of a brand new antibiotic?  It'd soon be lostto their stockrooms and a handful of leftovers in our medicine cabinets.  Inpharmaceutics, the license lasts about 17 years if I remember correctly (adrop in the bucket compared to the traditional software copyrights) so thatwe don't lose that biotechnology while the Pfizer execs sit on their asses.I can't wait another 80 years for Steve Jobs to rollover and re-releaseApple's applications.  Neither can the Apple II.In the 80's I think the Apple was hot because the software was gettingaround like hotcakes.  Even though piracy was hot, for every ten schoolsthat copied their AW, one or two would pay for a site license.  I'll bedamned if all those Apple II's had a licensed copy of AW.  In the end, I'llbet Apple and Claris still made plenty of money to take to the bank.In these days, adhering to existing software licenses is equivalent tochoking off a coronary artery to a heart that's already short on blood.  Youmight as well kill the Apple II.  Let's adhere to those licenses... andlet's see how long the Apple II lasts.  Have we ever considered thepossibility: the fact that the Apple II is still around is because there areresources such as Ground and Tarnover offering some commercially unavailablecommercial software <gasp>?  Or are we so gung ho that we'd rather see ourApple IIs die rather than "violate" some antiquated licenses--for the sakeof principle?What principle?  There are no SPA watchdogs even bothering to wag a fingerat us!  There are no execs bitching at us!  I wish they would!  That wouldmean the Apple II is not just a forgotten memory but rather a market stillto be reckoned with.Now, I'm not justifying piracy for the sake of prolonging the life of theApple II.  But I am convinced that no one is going to get hurt, financially,legally, or psychologically.  I'm waiting for Apple to come forward andshake a finger at me for copying their software.  At least that would meanthey still remember us!  Yippee!  That would actually be a day to rejoice!But back to reality.  If you personally feel you deserve a cut when I copyAW 2.0 for my grandmother; my next door neighbor CPA; my buddy from highschool; for me; or that newbie that just discovered his IIe; then comeforward.  Please... no nonsense from every legal license holder and other3rd degree separatees.  Sure piracy was responsible for the exorbitant priceyou paid for your software, but that's a whole other bag of issues that wedon't need to bring up right now.  :^)  I'm talking about the programmersand the greasy-execs that still want their cut.  If you're still shippingAW, I'm still writing checks.So you know what the kicker is?  Most of us -truly- value the intellectualproperty and end up buying the software anyway as soon as it becomesavailable.  It's not like we're cheap and don't want to buy it.  If youcheck out the sales on eBay on right over on csa2m, there isn't much stuffthat goes unsold.  We are so starved for Apple stuff, and we -will- pay.Michael Su.