Subject: Review: Time in a bottle CD collection.Path: lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mailMessage-ID: <39B2FE09.24D11359@dcnet2000.com>From: Phoenyx <quazar@dcnet2000.com>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i686)X-Accept-Language: enMIME-Version: 1.0Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciiContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitLines: 118Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 20:42:33 -0500NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.34X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.netX-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 968031735 204.2.54.34 (Mon, 04 Sep 2000 01:42:15 GMT)NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 01:42:15 GMTOrganization: VerioFirst, this is an unsolicited review. It and I am in no way related tothe distributors. Any opinions herein are entirely my own and shall notreflect upon any other person or association. This text is (C) copyright03-SEP-2000 Mike Thomas aka Phoenyx. You are free to redistribute by anymeans necessary as long as this copyright is retained and credit givenfor it's contents.     --=={ Time in a Bottle. An Apple II CD collection }==--When I first saw the message concerning the soon to be released CD set, Iwas very excited. Having missed out on most of the online activity in theApple II world, I knew I had lost the chance at a plethora of interestingand useful information. I immediately went to the online order site andpurchased a set, in spite of the fact that I could put the $50 to betteruse. I waited in anticipation as the weekend dragged by, looking forwardto this treasure trove of unknown information. Finally, it arrived in themail on Tuesday morning. After all the wait and eager anticipation, was Idisappointed?Actually, I was, just a bit at first. When I inserted the first CD andbrowsed the first few directories I noticed that many of the files weremessage groups. Having missed out on these early unions of Apple II users,I had no idea what to expect in this area. Many of them were simple 'Hi,how are you' sort of messages with very little useful content. I was alsodisappointed a bit later on when I discovered some of the files weredamaged and could not be opened. On top of that, some of the files werealso duplicated elsewhere in the collection. Considering the cost and howmuch $50 dollars means to my family, you should be able to understand mydisappointment.Considering the size of this collection and the time frame it covered,some duplication should be expected I guess. However, I also expected theeditors to put some effort in eliminating or at least reducing thisduplication and corrupted files. At least in a few of the more obviouscases.Not one to be daunted, I continued to peruse the files and even stopping awhile to read some of the more interesting messages. My disappointmentbegan to disappear when I started coming across messages which fit my owninterests, primarily programming, hardware info and utilities.I decided to stop reading for a while and check out some more of the CD'scontents before I got too engrossed in the messages. I hadn't evenrealized how much time had elapsed just in reading them, but it turns outI had spent a couple of hours and still had many more to go. The wealth ofinformation in this set is beginning to become apparent. I began to feelmore at ease and decided to finish my initial, superficial investigationbefore passing judgment.Well, let me just say this. My initial reaction to the set was definitelyway off base. Even now, I am finding programs and info which are worthmore than the cost of the CD's. The combined worth is rather difficult tocalculate since each user must decide which of these files are useful tothem. For myself, I have already found things that I would have loved touse way back when. I have always been a bit disappointed at being unableto participate in the early A2 online groups. I now have some idea of thethings I missed out on. Sure, I managed to get by back then, since I hadno knowledge of what was going on. Living in the boonies helped to shieldme from being disappointed by not seeing what I was missing. I guess thatsometimes ignorance really is bliss.The set is nicely arranged in the order I assume the Genie system used. Itis fairly easy to find your way around, even for folks like me who havenever seen the original storage system. I would like to mention, I amset up with Balloon which is a big asset when browsing through archivesets like this. It would certainly be much more difficult if I had toopen every file with GS Shrinkit. I managed to get lucky and found theBalloon archiver on a diskazine in a collection of disks I picked upsomewhere. I don't know where it is available on the net, or even if it is legally available at all. Also, my Focus drive has been very helpful. I had already partitioned it to just a few P8 partitions and one large HFS one which I am using to unpack files for inspection. If you don't havethese capabilities, don't be too disappointed just use whatever means youcan to access those babies. Of course, it could be in the CD set and Ihaven't run across it yet.At this point I am still perusing the file libraries on the second diskand enjoying every moment. I have not had a chance to return to themessage areas yet. In fact, I haven't gone back and checked many of theother directories of the first CD. Yes, I'm sure there will be more ofthose simplistic messages. Having been a sysop of my own BBS, I know thisis normal for almost any group of people with little in common exceptthe topic of whatever message base they happen to be in. At this pointI will not be disappointed no matter what I find. The software on thesecond CD has more than made up for the cost, even for a poor old countrybumpkin' like myself.So guys and gals, do yourself a favor and point your browser the the URLin the original message and get your own. Even those with out a CD ontheir Apple II can still benefit as long as they have some method ofreading a CD in HFS format. AFAIK, this is no problem for Linux or Beosusers and I have heard of a utility for Windows users also. Of course allyou Mac owners are probably smiling about now since you know you willhave no trouble at all reading the CD's. That's ok, I'm doing just fine onmy GS and I can still use my Linux box if necessary. Plus, I figure itmight be one more reason for those Windows users to jump on the Linux orBeos band wagon. Who knows, all some of them need is just a little push.For those who missed the original message, here's the order URL again.http://order.kagi.com/?2ZMBTW, thanks guys. This has been one of the most useful things I havepurchased for my II's in a long time.-- Thank you for your time and interest. I hope it was helpfulor at least interesting.Phoenyx,Apple2 user since March 1984Links to Phoenyx's pages:preferred..... http://zip.to/Phoenyx_A2alternate..... http://www.tinyangeldesigns.com/Apple2