Google Groups : alt.drugs.psychedelics A psychic pill? « Start of topic « Older Messages 1 - 6 of 6 Newer » End of topic » Fixed font - Proportional font 1. FLjeffbe...@bellsouth.net Sep 14, 1:48 pm show options Newsgroups: alt.drugs.psychedelics From: FLjeffbe...@bellsouth.net - Find messages by this author Date: 14 Sep 2005 13:48:59 -0700 Local: Wed, Sep 14 2005 1:48 pm Subject: A psychic pill? Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse http://www.magneurol.com/mmex.php Sounds like the color-bleeding out of objects and the increased perception (sensing a plant growing for instance) is more related to this bacteria possibly being psychedelic in nature as opposed to actually increasing ESP - I sent the company an email and will post their response as soon as I get it. Nevertheless, it seems to be an interesting concept. Perhaps I can convince them to give me a free sample. Your thoughts? grav Reply 2. ~..~ Veszpertin ~..~ Sep 14, 2:40 pm show options Newsgroups: alt.drugs.psychedelics From: "~..~ Veszpertin ~..~" - Find messages by this author Date: 14 Sep 2005 14:40:36 -0700 Local: Wed, Sep 14 2005 2:40 pm Subject: Re: A psychic pill? Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Remove | Report Abuse Good luck convincing them to give you a free sample. Knowing your skillful carismatic creativity with writing and requesting for things I'm fairly sure they will send you a sample. Do post the reply you get from them. I'd really love to read it. As to the claims on all (being a retired research scientist in the field of Magnetobiology) they are all common knowledge I learned early in my studies and research efforts. It may be of interest that the ingredients of the pill are just simple compound of vitamins and minerals that can be bought if you shop for such combined in multiple vitamins and minerals listing the compounds from the pill sold as Magneurol --- for as little as $5.00 by doing comparative pricing online. They are not claiming to give you any ESP or psychedelic effect or any other such expansive mental quantum leap into any sort of special or super mental powers. They are just using a semantic and artful word play relating that to their product. Words like: might, maybe, may, could, possible, should, have been shown to, etc. :) I think they are simply another slick online company selling a compound of their vitamins and minerals as some special and magic pill to enhance your current abilities. The ingredients of the pill ain't anything special. You can get much better multiple vitamins and minerals with herbs and a multitude of other things that are good for you for half the price they are charging for their Magneurol product. Magnetobiology -aka- biomagnetics are becoming a great fad for all sorts of problems to help correct them. Althought magnetite is a component of many of our cells and that's been known for decades along with their effects. Many compounds enhance many things in your body that have magnetic qualites. In short I think the price of the product is 5 times what it should be and even at $10 or $15 they could make a hefty profit on it. But, buy all means get some and try it out and write up a report on it's effects on you. I may be wrong and it may do some amazing psychedelic things to you. Cheers & WOMP WOMP Tom Reply 3. FLjeffbe...@bellsouth.net Sep 14, 2:59 pm show options Newsgroups: alt.drugs.psychedelics From: FLjeffbe...@bellsouth.net - Find messages by this author Date: 14 Sep 2005 14:59:54 -0700 Local: Wed, Sep 14 2005 2:59 pm Subject: Re: A psychic pill? Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Hey Tom, LTNT! From the list of ingredients in the pill, I agree that a cheaper route would be finding the ingredients in a local drug store - however, can one find pure magnetite at such a place? Are there any reports of anyone experimenting with magnetite? grav Reply 4. ~..~ Veszpertin ~..~ Sep 14, 4:53 pm show options Newsgroups: alt.drugs.psychedelics From: "~..~ Veszpertin ~..~" - Find messages by this author Date: 14 Sep 2005 16:53:07 -0700 Local: Wed, Sep 14 2005 4:53 pm Subject: Re: A psychic pill? Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Remove | Report Abuse Sure it's available. It's simply a black isometric mineral of the spinel group that is an oxide of iron and an important iron ore. I doubt that you can buy it at a drug store though - perhaps! :) It's available online too at a reasonable price of around $5 a pound. Search some links from Google for it. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=magnetite+for+sale&btnG=Google+S... Reply 5. FLjeffbe...@bellsouth.net Sep 14, 7:16 pm show options Newsgroups: alt.drugs.psychedelics From: FLjeffbe...@bellsouth.net - Find messages by this author Date: 14 Sep 2005 19:16:58 -0700 Local: Wed, Sep 14 2005 7:16 pm Subject: Re: A psychic pill? Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse But how safe is ingesting it at any quantity? And where does bacteria cross the mineral line? What's the difference in swallowing a magnet? And does research suggest those with high magnetite counts be more sensitive to the earth's EM field, which spirits are allegedly apart of? I personally believe that psychic ability lies within a gene, and I've seen evidence of this from families of psychics. Some scientists speculate that by "tuning into" the surrounding EM fields of the earth, that paranormal occurrences will occur, and this is their way of explaining residual energy. They say people unknowingly or unwillingly tune into these frequencies and that's why there are ghosts and spirits. Now, I've known a guy to inject colloidal silver into his veins, but never eating magentite iron ore. Interested to learn more into this lore. grav Reply 6. FLjeffbe...@bellsouth.net Sep 14, 3:24 pm show options Newsgroups: alt.drugs.psychedelics From: FLjeffbe...@bellsouth.net - Find messages by this author Date: 14 Sep 2005 15:24:36 -0700 Local: Wed, Sep 14 2005 3:24 pm Subject: Re: A psychic pill? Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse As far as the price of magnetite, I have not been able to find one online supplier that sells it in digestable form. Perhaps that is why the price is so jacked up. There seems to be a plethora of info on the web about it. I even found this post written by William White in sci.mushrooms concerning magnetite, the active ingredient of Magneurol: -- Anyway, said researcher I mentioned above thinks that "hauntings" and such may be a simple case of EM effects, although he takes it one step further and suggests that magnetite (which is ubiquitous in the environment) may be acting as a holographic matrix which can both receive impressions from some people and regenerate them at a later date. I'm somewhat skeptical, but it's theoretically possible; it should be possible to test this empirically but I don't happen to have any RF equipment hanging around. However, this brings up a rather sticky issue. The hippocampus is fucking *loaded* with magnetite, and the adjacent bones in the sinuses have heavy magnetite deposits as well (heavy enough in some people to show up on X-rays, which incidentally may explain the "them damn aliens shoved a probe up my nose" thing). I've heard four theories on this: 1) synchronous discharges in the hippocampus create standing waves strong enough to cause magnetite crystals to deposit in the area, 2) it's a leftover from a vestigial compass sense, 3) it's a component of a magnetic memory system we don't understand yet, and 4) it has some functional value in adapting to, or compensating for, localized anomalies in geomagnetic fields from rock strata. But, if you accept the "magnetite holographic matrix" idea, this brings up the rather disturbing possibility that said matrix could be used for any number of unusual things, e.g., ESP, if we knew how to do so. --- And this one, which further explains magentite: "Immortalist" - Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 09:13:02 -0700 Local: Sun, Apr 11 2004 12:13 pm Subject: People with an extraordinary ability? -magnetite particles There are countless reports in history about people with an extraordinary ability to know where they are going: pathfinders, guides, mariners, pioneers. Certainly, ancient peoples found their way across continents and oceans without compasses, sextants, radar, or the global positioning satellite system. We know, too, that species such as migratory birds and salmon have an instinctive sense of direction. Certain cells in the heads of honey bees and of homing pigeons contain crystals of magnetite, a natural magnetic material. The crystals align in the earth's magnetic field much like the hands of a compass, which is somehow used by these species as a frame of reference in navigating. Joseph Kirschvink and researchers at the California Institute of Technology have identified the same kind of magnetite particles in human brain tissue. They don't know what function the particles actually serve, but the possibilities are intriguing. A user's guide to the brain - John J. Ratey. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375701079/ http://tinyurl.com/232zg ------------------------------------------ Iron Biomineralization in the Human Brain Biomineralization of ferrimagnetic magnetite is known to occur in a number of organisms including animals. Recent investigations have revealed the presence of biogenic magnetite in human brain tissue as well. The presence of magnetite in the brain has been established using a variety of magnetic and electron microscopic techniques. The focus of this project is on comparing and quantifying the amount of biogenic magnetite present in both normal and pathologic brain tissue samples in order to evaluate its possible role in diseases and disorders of the brain such as epilepsy. In order to accomplish this, methods were developed to quantify contamination levels and accurately measure tissue magnetite content. In addition, we are examining tissue samples using scanning and transmission electron microscopy, electron energy loss spectroscopy and energy filter imaging in order to locate the particles in the tissue and determine their relationships to structures in the brain. The presence of ferrimagnetic material in human brain tissue also provides plausible theoretical mechanisms for the interaction of environmental magnetic fields with the human central nervous system. These relationships are under investigation as well. http://www.biophysics.uwa.edu.au/magnetite.html http://www.keele.ac.uk/depts/stm/magnetite.html ----------------------------------------- As Robert Neil Boyd has pointed out to me, Magnetite in Brains may allow Brains to interact with electromagnetic fields. This could provide a link between Brains and many types of electromagnetic phenomena, including but not limited to Schumann Resonance Phenomena. Just as a tuning fork has natural frequencies for sound, the planet Earth has natural frequencies, called Schumann resonances, for electromagnetic radiation. The Human Brain also has natural frequencies for electromagnetic radiation. It turns out that the Earth's Schumann resonances are "in tune" with the Human Brains's Alpha States and Theta States. A simple calculation shows that the mechanical energy present in a single 0.1 um magnetite crystal exposed to a 60 Hz, 0.1 mT magnetic field is many times the thermal background noise. Such particles, if adsorbed on cell surfaces or ingested by the cells, could conceivably transfer this energy to contiguous cell structures such as mechanically-activated ion channels (which operate with a gating force close to the thermal noise limit), and thereby alter cytoplasmic ion concentrations ...". Kirschvink "... has plotted the hundreds of beachings of whales and dolphins along the U.S. east coast. He finds that these cetaceans tend to run aground at spots where the earth's magnetic field is diminished by the local magnetic fields of rocks. These coastal magnetic lows are at the ends of long, continuous channels of magnetic minima that run for great distances along the ocean floors. Kirschvink believes that the stranded whales and dolphins were using these magnetic troughs for navigation and failed to see the stop sign at the beaches and ran aground. The magnetic troughs in this view are superhighways for animals equipped with a magnetic sense. If Kirschvink's theory is correct, the magnetic sensors of the whales and dolphins are extremely sensitive, because the deepest magnetic troughs are only about 4% weaker than the background magnetic field. Magnetite crystals have been found in birds, fish, and insects, where they are thought to contribute to a magnetic sense of some sort. So far, no magnetite has shown up in whales and dolphins." "... Homing pigeons seem to possess at least two direction sensors. Years of experiments with released birds have proved that they use sun compasses on sunny days but have magnetic backups for cloudy days. But how do they sense the earth's magnetic field? Paired-coil tests suggested that the pigeon compass resided in the neck or back of the head. Narrowing the search with sensitive magnetometers and two dozen dissected pigeons, the authors discovered tiny bits of tissue containing magnetite crystals. The same tissues contained yellow crystals likely made by the iron-storage protein ferritin, which was probably used in the biological synthesis of the magnetite. ...". "Many species of mud bacteria also synthesize magnetite for purposes of orientation, indicating that nature or some directive force used the same strategy in two widely separated species." http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/Schumann.html http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/QuanCon3.html ------------------------------------------ Some terrestrial bacteria have evolved the ability to sense the Earth's magnetic field. They do this by making tiny magnetic crystals of iron inside themselves and arranging them into chains called "magnetsomes". These tiny grains, made of a material called magnetite, have a very specific size and shape. They are also very pure - far purer than magnetite grains that occur naturally. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/294313.stm ----------------------------------------- The mere presence of magnetite in tissues is not, of course, definitive evidence for the perception of the earth's magnetic field. Hemoglobin, each molecule of which contains an iron atom, is the primary respiratory pigment in many higher animals, and the breakdown and re-synthesis of hemoglobin are therefore dependent on the presence of iron in the tissues, of which magnetite would be a significant constituent. Essential for perception would be a sensory organ in which the magnetite is organized together with nervous tissue, so as to provide a useful orienting stimulus. Dr. Kirschvink has demonstrated the presence of magnetite in the tissues of several different kinds of animals, including the claim that the human brain contains detectable magnetite. In none of those studies has anything resembling a sensory organ within which the magnetite is organized been discovered. For example, the description of the magnetite in human brain tissue gives the impression that magnetite is a universal contaminant throughout the brain, with no hint of a structure to transduce magnetic moments due to body orientation into a perceptible stimulus, to be transmitted elsewhere. Hence, the magnetite discovered in human brains may be purely adventitious. It might, for example, represent a breakdown product of hemoglobin that cannot be conveniently excreted. As an even simpler possibility, the mere presence of iron (or magnetite) in an animal's tissues might only indicate the presence of blood (and its hemoglobin) http://www.phact.org/e/z/dowse1.htm -- Peace, grav Reply « Start of topic « Older Messages 1 - 6 of 6 Newer » End of topic » ©2005 Google